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k i'll go with the basic package. good choice. only meineke lets you choose the brake service that's right for you. and save 50% on pads and shoes. meineke. tonight, state of emergency. california wildfires multiplying. a stern warning from the governor, obey mandatory ev evacuation orders and you will get burned. why didn't she run? the growing questions as new details emerge about jaycee dugard's time in captivity. she had a job and access to e-mail. it offends the hell out of me. that's what dick cheney says about the obama administration's investigation of the cia. he also says his relationship with president bush wasn't always chummy. late term takeover. an abortion doctor targeted by protesters is promising to pick up where his murdered colleague left off. he tells us why live. lost at sea. for a week searchers even gave up and the coast guard as well
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when suddenly a sight for sore eyes. three weary fishermen saved by sheer luck. you'll hear their incredible odyssey tonight. good evening, everyone. i'm don lemon. our top story, thousands of people fleeing their homes ahead of wildfires raging in southern california. especially hard hit los angeles county prompting governor arnold schwarzenegger to declare a state of emergency. for the latest we turn to cnn's kara finnstrom live in la cankca flintridge ridge, california. >> reporter: you can see this fire is continuing to burn in the hillsides behind me. we are expecting a news briefing with the latest numbers from this fire, but at last report more than 35,000 acres had burned in this fire. that number expected to go up. thousands of homes had been threatened. we caught up with one of the families who had been in edge in la canada for days. >> wetted everything down a couple of times yesterday, really soaked everything down
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good and waited. >> reporter: defying orders to evacuate, skeet mccauley watched his family leave with the la canada fire exploding. more than quadrupling in size in 24 hours. he chose to guard his home. so this was where you were stationed last night. >> yeah, this was my position of power, i guess. >> caller: with a pump and pool water to douse spot fires. >> last night basically this whole ridge burned. >> reporter: as a freelance photographer with his still and video cameras at hand. >> it was just a recording more than anything else, you know. just trying to show them what was going on and to really keep myself busy. it was just hours and hours. there's no wind. it was just slowly coming down and, you know, these trees were just exploding one by one. >> reporter: mccauley sent image after image to his wife and daughter through a cell phone, a connection reassuring and frightening. >> it has been nerve-racking.
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he kept in touch and kept sending photos. >> reporter: in daylight with the flames at least temporarily at bay they came to check on dad. >> this is what you fear every summer and when the santa anas come and we knew that this brush hadn't been burned from 40 to 60 years. >> we are worn, frazzled. i'm really happy, we've lost our view but we haven't lost our home, and we got everybody safe and sound. >> reporter: no homes here in la canada have burned so far. no lives have been lost. the mccauleys are grateful, but they also know they're not out of danger yet. >> if this fire gets in behind us, it's going to be blowing to us and the embers will be coming to us, and we're not out of this yet. >> no. >> reporter: and, don, the governor did come here to the la canada area today. he is urging everyone to heed those mandatory evacuations saying the danger has not passed
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and we should mention that the three people who have been hurt so far during these fires did not heed those evacuation orders and were actually suffering from burns tonight. >> night is about to fall. what do we expect from the fire overnight, kara? >> reporter: well, some good news for the people in the la canada community, and that is that the fire appears to be moving mostly in a northerly direction. there's still spot fires. firefighters still very concerned, but the main body of the fire is moving north and they're very concerned about neighborhoods up in the acton area where this fire could head to next. staging a number of areas to fight it. >> kara finnstrom in the foothills of the san gabriel mountains. let's see what the folks in los angeles county will get, if any, relief from mother nature. want to go to meteorologist jacqui jeras from the cnn severe weather center. >> things will improve a little bit, but not a whole heck of a lot. we're approaching the time of the day now where the winds calm down a little bit and the humidity increases just a touch. overall we've been looking at relative humidity down in the
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single digits for percentages. temperatures in the upper 90s to lower triple digits, and the winds steady, less than ten miles per hour, but we have had some gusts beyond that today, and the smoke is just really billowing and thick. this is a picture to show you from mt. wilson observatory. you can see the thick smoke as the winds calm down. really bad for the air quality. so that gets worse tonight. don, dropping a few temperatures tomorrow, but it really won't make much of a difference. >> all right. jacqui, thank you. police in antioch, california, say they will probably wrap up their search for phillip garrido's property tonight. this is what they've been sifting through for three days. take a look at this. ever since it was discovered kidnap victim jaycee dugard had spent the past 18 years there, and not just her amid all this squal squalor, but two young daughters allegedly fathered by garrido. somewhere along the way the kidnap victim became part of
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garri garrido's life even helping him run a business. >> they lived in squalor in the backyard. this shows the trash and clutter filled tents that authorities say jaycee dugard lived in with her two children fathered by phillip garrido. this photo shows a wire cage. next to it, a shed with sliding doors and metal clasps, suggesting it could only be opened from the outside. it's not clear what either was used for. inside this tent, dressers. you can see a small children's lamp and teddy bears on one of them. tennis shoes on the floor amid stains and garbage. also, this book, a family affair, was found along their belongings. seems ironic it would be here given the circumstances of the case. this picture showing raggedy furniture and an empty box for a computer printer is notable as we've learned garrido ran a printing business out of his house, a business his victim was involved in operating.
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>> in your dealings with her through e-mail and talking to her on the phone, what was she like? >> very professional, very nice. you know, she spoke well. >> reporter: ben owned a junk hauling business before selling it a few month ago. he used garrido's company for all his printing needs. he said it was jaycee, the woman he knew as alyssa, who handled all the graphics. he said he spoke to her on the phone and by e-mail regularly for several years. and on at least two occasions met with her privately to pick up orders in front of the garrido's house. >> what was she like then? >> same way. just professional and, you know, came across as just a genuine nice person. didn't see anything that was weird or like she was looking over her shoulder or nothing. she seemed normal person. >> reporter: as for those e-mails, they came from a yahoo! account set up by garrido and in his name. in them dugard uses short, exact answers and lower case answers.
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this one is typical. here is the business cards in jpeg format. let me know if you need anything else, thank you. >> a cult and mind control expert can only speculate why jaycee didn't reef out for help. >> the thoughts of escaping are not necessarily going to come to mind, especially for the young children, especially from when day one they've been led to believe that their duty is to obey and comply and live by the dictates of the master. >> reporter: authorities are still trying to sort out the conditions in which jaycee was held captive, but as these pictures show, she lived in filth and poverty, all while having two children and working to satisfy the customers of phillip garrido's business. >> oh, my gosh. that is disgusting. cnn's dan simon is outside the garrido home right now. dan, you also spoke with jaycee dugard's stepfather today. what did he tell you? >> reporter: well, don, he told us that jaycee has left the motel where she'd been the last
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few days in the antioch area and has moved to an undisclosed location to prevent her whereabouts to being known. he says that they're basically in the early stages, she and her mother, trying to get reacquainted. he says they're in good hands though, that there's a team of psychologists around, but one thing he says has become increasingly clear, and this is one of the more disturbing aspects of this case, he says it seems very clear that jaycee developed a very close bond with her captor, which, of course, may explain why she apparently never attempted to escape, don. >> dan, looking at those pictures, you know, sometimes we say pictures really don't tell the story, but the reaction from you and from other members of the media and other people who are seeing those pictures and the type of conditions those children really were living in. >> reporter: yeah, it was really filthy conditions, you know, certainly. and there was a neighbor who personally observed what was going on, looked over his fence. he could see those tents and see the squalor, and that neighbor
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called the cops. wanted the cops to come out and investigate and take action. as we've seen and heard from sheriff's officials, they conceded they really dropped the ball on this case and really no explanation for it, don. >> dan simon, thank you very much. we're going to talk much, much more about this story throughout this broadcast. we appreciate it, dan. marc klaas lost his daughter polly to a sexual predator about the same time jay ki dugard was kidnapped. we'll talk to him in a few minutes. you know phillip garrido spent a decade in federal prison for kidnapping and assaulting a woman several years ago. she will tell her story tomorrow night on larry king live. president barack obama is winding down his august vacation and soon congress will follow him back to washington. the season may be changing, but the sizzling summer debate over health care reform, it rages on. it's an issue that senator ted kennedy called the cause of my life and his clout isn't likely
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to be forgotten on capitol hill. lawmakers are calling for a more civil health care battle in honor of the lost liberal lion. cnn's brianna keilar, a softer tone of debate is one thing, but can ted kennedy's death actually sway votes in favor of reform here? congressional correspondent brianna keilar is in atlanta tonight. will it, brianna? >> there is talk about what would teddy do, but the facts are democrats and republicans continue to be very oppositional on their policy differences on health care. in this recess with all of the heat of these town hall events, it appears to have solidified republicans confidence that if they don't reach agreement with democrats on health care, politically they will be in a safe position going into the 2010 midterm elections. and then for their part democrats aren't saying that a bipartisan effort is dead, don, but they admit it's moving that way, and they say they are prepared to use a parliamentary tool that would allow them to pass health care reform with a simple majority instead of the 60 votes that they would ordinarily need, which, of
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course, don, is a much heavier lift. >> does that mean that president obama and democrats will have to settle for more incremental overhaul perhaps of health care and not the sweeping changes that this administration wants? >> that's really the direction this appears to be moving. one democratic source i spoke with told me democrats will at least make a strong down payment on health care reform, that they will reduce the skyrocketing costs of health care, and then pledge to do more in the future. they say this will help them make good on their promises to voters who brought president obama into power. but republican sources tell me if democrats go it alone, it's theirs, and they say that, you know, it's pretty clear, don, that republicans can then lump this in with the economic stimulus package painted as big government spending and then say democrats own it, and then it will be a political lie -- liability. >> brianna, thank you for picking up the helm for me today. i wish i was working right there in the same room with you. >> good to see you, don.
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>> good old days when we did that together. former vice president dick cheney is at it again, speaking his mind and grabbing headlines, and the hard question about what to do with convicted sex offenders. should they ever be reacclimated into society? we're digging deeper on that. and later, lost at sea for more than a week. even the coast guard had given up the search. you won't believe the remarkable survival story. plus, as always, tell us what's on your mind and that's how you can do it right there. back pain in the morning, back playing in the afternoon. excedrin back and body has two ingredients to block and relieve the pain. doesn't your whole body deserve excedrin strength relief? excedrin. what ache?
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the aclu and others is contesting on grounds of free speech. the case goes back before the high court on september 9th. former vice president dick cheney is at it again. criticizing president barack obama and his approach toward national security issues. let's go back to atlanta and rejoin our brianna keilar. >> don, we are getting used to hearing from dick cheney, even though he's been out of office for months, and as usual, he's not holding back. >> it's clearly a political move. i mean, there's no other rationale for why they're doing this. >> reporter: dick cheney refuses to remain silent. e offended by the justice department's decision to look into the cia interrogation techniques against terror suspects. >> the information they provided did, in fact, save thousands of lives and let us defeat all further attacks against the united states. >> reporter: cheney also says president obama is flip-flopping on a pledge not to revisit past behavior by cia operatives. >> but my concern is that the damage that will be done by the president of the united states
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going back on his word, his promise, about investigations of cia personnel who carried out those policies will seriously undermine the morale of our folks at the agency. >> reporter: cheney says the whole idea, quote, offends the hell out of me. he says the obama administration has it backwards. they should be giving bush team veterans like himself credit for a job well done. >> we had a track record now of eight years of defending the nation against any further mass casualty attacks from al qaeda. the approach of the obama administration should be to come to those people who were involved in that policy and say how did you do it? >> reporter: but it's also clear dick cheney didn't always agree with president bush. >> he encouraged me to give him my view on a whole range of issues. i did. sometimes he agreed, sometimes he didn't. >> reporter: he acknowledges a difference of opinion over the potential use of military force against iran, for example, and as for other big issues where
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cheney disagreed with bush, we're going to have to wait a while. >> i'm going to -- if i address that, i'll address it in my book. >> reporter: dick cheney's remarked that president obama has gone back on his word is a reference to mr. obama's previous statements that cia interrogators who worked within justice department guidelines would not be prosecuted. attorney general eric holder issued a similar statement this week when he announced this new investigation of the cia's interrogation techniques, don. >> thanks again to you. let's bring in lynn sweet now to talk about more on this. she is one of our regulars here. she's the washington bureau chief for "the chicago sun times." thank you so much. i was flipping through and i happened to see this interview. i'm not a politico, but the thought that kept running through my head was mind your business. i just -- it seems like why is he coming out at this point when we didn't hear from him for the bulk of his vice presidency? >> well, this has to do with the
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cia and this is near and dear to him, and i think that's why he's willing and eager to take on an interview on this. a lot got done in this interview today that was very interesting. not only did he accuse obama of flip-flopping on the pledge to go after cia agents. he also very surgically just put that knife between eric holder, the attorney general, and president obama in a way to really throw a spotlight on a very dramatic difference between the president and his own attorney general. >> i understand what you're saying, lynn, but he's not in power anymore. so then why? what gives here? >> well, he is writing a book. this is a run-up to what will probably be a massive publicity tour. you know, you have to keep people a little excited about yourself -- >> so is it more about the book or more about politics here? >> i think it's a mix. there's three things. yes, the book is coming out so he wants to stay in play, and he has big political differences, and this is a subject that is
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very close to him. he probably -- you know, i bet he would not have devoted himself on a sunday to an interview just on other issues, but the cia involvement, something he was centrally involved in. >> okay. let's move on here. let's move on here. i have to say it was an interesting interview. i watched every single minute of it. i thought it was very interesting and even he talked about his relationship with his former boss is not always chummy. >> a little frosty sometimes. >> a little frosty. we had heard that, and then he said, you know, hey, find out in my book. obviously, there was a motive. there was some motivation. let's talk now about the president. back from vacation. does he have to move on now from health care to tackle other issues? are other issues sort of being sidelines because he's paying so much attention to health care? >> for the moment, yes, i think when he comes back we will see another big push. there's rallies throughout the country being sponsored by obama for america, which is a
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democratic national committee arm of the obama campaign. they're going to now have to decide if they go it alone just on democratic votes as brianna said in her report setting up this discussion here, and they have some strategic decisions to make. most important, do they want to go for the whole loaf of bread or will they take some slices and do it now? too soon to tell. way too soon. >> lynn sweet, always good stuff, as usual. thank you. >> thanks, don. here is a known sex offender who met regularly with a parole officer, yet phillip garrido was able to lead a double life and hold jaycee dugard against her will. how could this happen and should sex offenders ever be released? we'll ask marc klaas. later, a simple fishing trip turns into a week lost at sea. you won't believe their remarkable rescue. taking its rightful place
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the sudden reappearance of jaycee dugard 18 years after she was kidnapped made headlines around the world, but it could be just the beginning of a long and bizarre crime saga. police in antioch, california, today brought cadaver dogs to the property next door to the home of dugard's alleged kidnapper phillip garrido. garrido is also believed to have fathered dugard's two daughters. police say garrido used to live on the next door property and they want to know if any bodies or other evidence are hidden there. >> i'm going to confirm those are cadaver dogs. we're going to have them go through the backyard at 1450 and that's part of the overall investigation. it's too early to say what we're
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looking for. anything that may be linked to some open cases that we have at this point. we're going thoroughly through both backyards, and it's just too early to say what we might come up with. >> investigators are looking for any evidence that might link garrido to other crimes in the area, including unsolved murders of prostitutes in the 1990s. police say they have interviewed garrido's neighbors. we talked to some of them, too, here is what a couple of them had to say. >> partying next door, be drinking and carrying on, and there would be a bunch of guys back there. they always had a bonfire going and they would be high-fiving each other, just going crazy. >> laughing and you never heard any kids having more fun than that and also an adult lady, you know, and she was just cracking up. they were horseplaying in the pool or something. >> neighbors speaking to cnn's ed lavandera. phillip garrido began talking to the media almost as soon as he was in custody.
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tv reporter walt gray of affiliate kcra spoke to garrido by phone for about ten minutes. in this clip garrido says he used to be a monster but he's reformed. >> my life has been straightened out. wait until you hear this story of what took place at this house, and you're going to be absolutely impressed. it's a disgusting thing that took place with me in the beginning, but i turned my life completely around. >> you're mentioning it's going to be a heartwarming story, can you -- can you give me an overview as to is it a love story, a story about children. >> it's a constructive story of turning a person's life around and having those two children, those two girls, they slept in my arms every single night from birth. i never kissed them. you just have to -- you're going to be so happy that you did.
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i can't go any further because if i do we get too far into it, but wait until you find out. people are going to be coming forward at this trial and that's not all. you're going to be in a state of shock when you see how many hundreds of thousands of people are going to come out of the woodwork to start testifying about something. >> are the children okay? >> absolutely. >> is everybody in the house -- >> absolutely. since the youngest one was born, from that moment on everything turned around, and these people are going to testify to these things. >> jaycee dugard's kiss hits close to home for the family of polly klaas, a parolee with a long rap sheet kidnapped the 12-year-old girl from her home in 1993 and later murdered her. polly's father has since turned his grief and anger into action. marc klaas has become a child advocate and he joins us from san francisco. thank you, sir. we appreciate the work that you
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do because this has really been your life's work. again, i ask you a question, you know, as i was reading that, i was thinking 1993 when polly went missing and then eventually it ended up that she was murdered, it's been a long time. when you hear these stories, do you feel like progress is being made here? >> well, certainly progress has been made, don. in 1993 and even more so in 1991 there was no fallback position, not only for people like us, but for law enforcement in these kind of cases. there were no protocols that existed. we seemed to protect the rights of evil intent more than we did the rights of innocent citizens, and since that time we have things that would have made a difference in this case. things like truth in sentencing. we have penalty enhancements for repeat offenders. we have the amber alert. we have megan's law which is sex offender registration and community notification. >> and i'm sure you would agree while we've made progress, much, much more needs to be done. let's talk now about the dugard
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case. >> sure. >> and when you talk about the recidivism rate of sexual offenders, it's very high. do you believe that these people should be released back into society? >> well, let's take this case as the perfect example. this guy had been convicted of raping and kidnapping a person prior to this. they knew what he was going to do when he got out. yet they only made him serve 20% of a 50-year sentence. and sure enough, he gets out of prison and almost immediately he kidnaps this young girl. let's be really clear about something, don, never in the history of the world, certainly never in the history of american criminal justice, has a pedophile nor a psycho path/sociopath been cured. so when we identify who these individuals are, we need to do everything we can to protect innocent citizens from them, whether that be in prison or some form of civil commitment. >> okay. we heard the sheriff there, even the sheriff admitted that they
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could have done more. what do you think about the sheriff's comments about they didn't do enough to save these young children, even earlier? >> well, certainly the sheriff was appropriate in coming out and admitting the mistakes that they made. i would even go so far as to say that the deputy that reported to that house in the year 2006 who didn't do any kind of background check and took this character for his word should probably be let go of his position. that's not what we hire these people, so they can get an easy paycheck. we hire them to protect us, and that was a clear dereliction of duty because it could have saved those girls at that time and it didn't. >> you know what? this case makes you wonder how many other jaycee dugards are there out there. >> that's a very good question and i suspect there are others. we've seen them over the course of the last several years. we've seen some of them be
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solved in one way or another. steven stainer, shawn hornbeck, elizabeth smart. the one thing these have in common is that in each one of the cases the children had opportunities to leave and they didn't. there's some powerful psychologist going on in the background that compels these victims to stay with these captors. >> all right. marc klaas, appreciate you joining us and again we appreciate the work that you do. you devoted your life to this. >> thank you, sir. >> all right. police say their mother was held captive for 18 years and they were fathered by her captor. we'll speak with an expert about how to help the dugard children heal from their horrible ordeal. and he calls himself a proud abortionist. we'll talk to the doctor who runs the clinic where anti-apportion protesters and pro-borti pro-abortion advocates faced off this weekend. why? don't you think nordic tuesday is fun?
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dugard case came wednesday on the campus of kru. beuc berkele. cnn's anderson cooper spoke to the policewoman about the fateful encounter. >> the youngest girl was across from me and she was very intently staring at me and smiling in a very eerie way. the older daughter was looking at mr. garrido and not looking at us, not making eye contact with us, and her eyes were darting around at the ceiling and would give quick clipped one-word answers and glance at us and back up at him. >> the question on everybody's mind is what's next for jay ki dugard and her daughters and how can they ever be healed. dr. judy is a clinical psychologist who teaches at columbia university and she joins us from new york. are we hearing from her microphone? >> well, the major -- >> can we hear? wear hearing her.
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>> the major issue is this is a very psychotic man. it makes sense to me, people are thinking how could this possibly happen. i have seen people like this in the hospital. i think what was going on is the man was trying to set up a cult. it has every one of the symptoms of it. >> really? >> where you first of all there's a lot of the drugs. his father said he was on lsd so drug induced psychotic behavior. he thinks he's the messiah, he's the messenger from god. the angels are talking to him. he wanted to get everybody to follow -- to get followers. he thought he was ready to spread the word. >> but so far it appears he only had a couple followers. he didn't -- >> he was getting ready. >> he was getting ready to do it. >> right. he thought he had resolved some sexual urges, not. this is typical of a cult and the fact that jaycee and her two daughters have been dragged into
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this. they will have to be deprogrammed. >> this guy is obviously a nut job. he's cookie, but where do you start? where do you start with rehabilitating these -- they're all children, all three of them are children. >> well -- >> and the family as well. >> well, they all need to be deprogrammed. i'm very concerned about it. the two little girls starlet and angel. she has a whole new identity. she's alyssa. the mother was even feeling something that she was brainwashed. you can't just throw this girl back into her environment and think she's going to readjust. she had a family. she had what she thought was a husband, so-called father, and this robotic mother. this was their environment. they have to be deprogrammed because my theory is this was like a cult, and she was already brainwashed. >> all right. you are very passionate about this. >> i am. >> i want to ask you because viewers are as well. and we have been talking about this. this story, really, people have been asking me about it everywhere i go.
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someone on twitter says how can jaycee and her children adjust when they have no concept of what is normal? that's true. >> they can't. exactly. they're not normal, but to them that life is normal. that is their world. they had barbie dolls. she had makeup. she wasn't like in other cases we know where she was locked up where this monster locks up the people in a closet and murders the babies. they were treated. they were reading books with self-esteem. they were reading other novels. they had their own version of abnormal. >> well, that leads me to this then. their age. does that help or hurt in trying to figure out what's normal? >> well, it hurts them because they have hrd will many years of this and they might have also been abused and might also have been -- had drugs put into their system. >> so they think that's normal. >> i don't think they're going to easy adjust at all. i think they also have arrested development we call it because even though you may know what a
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15-year-old is like, i doubt it that she's really like that right now. it's going to take a lot, and you cannot think that these children can just be spoken to. they had glassy stares. they're already possibly under the -- this delusion about what the so-called father was teaching people. >> dr. judy, we could go on and on. really appreciate it. i'm glad your microphone is working because you had a lot to say tonight. thank you very much. we appreciate it. we told you earlier that phillip garrido spent a decade in federal prison for kidnapping and assaulting another woman many years ago. she will tell her story tonight in an exclusive interview with "larry king live." tomorrow night. that's tomorrow night. 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. late-term takeover. an abortion doctor targeted by protesters is promising to pick up where his murdered colleague left off. he will join us in just a little bit. we all have confidence
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only meineke lets you choose the brake service that's right for you. and save 50% on pads and shoes. meineke. the tea party express keeps on rolling out west. the anti-tax, anti-big government bus tour is making its way through nevada this weekend. nationwide tour kicked off friday from california headed for the nation's capital. the supporters say the bus tour is just the beginning. >> i believe he's trouncing the constitution and taking control of our country in a direction that we don't want. >> they want to make us a socialist state. >> we're the sleeping giant that has been awakened. we're the silent majority that is no longer silent. >> i think we're not an unruly mob. i think most of us are just average citizens and we're trying to make a difference and we're trying to make our
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feelings known. >> tea party express organizers say they plan to spotlight big spending members of congress as they make their way across the country. their final rally is scheduled for september 12th in washington. he is one of the few remaining late term abortion doctors in the country and today controversy came to his doorstep. dr. carhartt, abortion and contraception clinic of nebraska was the scene of a face-off. they confronted each other outside the nebraska facility and carhartt has said he also hopes to carry on the work of dr. george tiller, the abortion doctor killed at his church in kansas on may 31st, and the doctor joins us tonight live from las vegas to discuss the protests and the murders of his friend -- the murder of his friend dr. george tiller. thank you so much for joining us. how are you doing? >> i'm very well. thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. why have you decided to reopen this clinic?
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>> we really felt that, you know -- it's one of the handful of clinics in the united states that does the abortions after viability. to leave only one clinic open in boulder, colorado, i think would be a disservice to the women. there are not very many post viability apportions done, perhaps less than 700 to 800 in the united states in a year. but there needs to be places for the women to go to have them, and with the loss of dr. tiller's clinic, where approximately 500 of these had taken place annually, there needs to be a replacement. >> that's what i was going to ask you, if you could talk a little more about this. why do you feel it's so important to provide this service for women? >> women that are faced -- first of all, 20 -- depending on the studies you read, if a woman has
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a flawed pregnancy that cannot survive, there is no reason to force her to carry that pregnancy to term when the risk of abortion is in the less than 0.1 of 1% range and the risk of death from just pregnancy itself is in the 20 per 100,000 range. >> are you concerned about your safety? >> of course. i think dr. tiller and i talked about our safety many times, and he did everything he could think of to make himself safe because we know there are fringe elements of the radical right that are out there that would want to eliminate all of us because they think or they know now that that will close a clinic, and that's the second reason why i have to carry this clinic on so that we continue close a clinic because they murdered someone. >> doctor, thank you so much for joining us tonight, and we wish
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you, you know -- we hope for your safety here, okay? >> thank you, sir. >> all right. a presidential case of the h1n1 flu. we'll tell you where. also, new controversy surrounds the release of the lockerbie bomber. even on his hospital bed the convicted terrorist is being questioned about a rumored oil deal with libya for his release. back pain in the morning, back playing in the afternoon. excedrin back and body has two ingredients to block and relieve the pain. doesn't your whole body deserve excedrin strength relief? excedrin. what ache? and i'm a pc.ello, i'm a mac. and i'm looking to buy a great computer. well allow me to introduce the top-of-the-line pc. oh, wow cool. hey. well, i want a computer with a big screen. and a really fast processor.
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the president of colombia has h1n1 commonly called swine flu. he fell ill on friday. the same day he was attending a south american summit in argentina. all of the other leaders who met with mr. uribe at the summit are
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being contacted about his illness. he's in stable condition and is being treated at the presidential palace in bogota. senator edward kennedy's grave site has opened for public viewing. it features a 2 1/2 foot marble cross and marker. a temporary rope line has been set up so people can approach kennedy's grave site. now controversy surrounds the release of the lockerbie bomber even on his hospital bed. the convicted terrorist is being questioned about a rumored oil deal with libya for his release. 
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a third person has died from a savage attack in a mobile home in a georgia coastal home of brunswick. police have arrested a man who they say tipped them off. 22-year-old guy heinze, jr. hasn't been ruled out as a suspect. he's jailed on charges of drug possession, evidence tampering, and lying to officers. heinze is related to one of the people found killed in the mobile home. a ninth victim remains hospitalized. the police chief says he needs the public's help and a $25,000 reward has been offered in that case. more controversy in the case of the lockerbie bomber freed from prison in scotland over u.s. objections. abdel baset al megrahi within a
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compassionate medical release ten days ago, but today in a hospital bed he would not answer the question that was sweeping through the united kingdom. was he freed as part of the secret oil day with the british government. a uk newspaper reports such a deal was brokered. jack straw calls the report wholly untrue. three fishermen lost at sea for more than a week, the coast guard had even given up the search. but they never gave up hope. we'll have the details of this remarkable rescue.
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three fisher buddies survive more than a week lost at sea. reportedly living on bubble gum,
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crackers, and will power. there they are stepping back on dry land earlier today after spending eight days clinging to their capsized catamaran bobbing in the gulf of mexico. james phillips, kurt hall, and tressel hawkins were spotted yesterday. our fredricka whitfield talked with one of the fisherman. >> it happen sod fast. the boat had just turned over on us. the boat rolled over to the other side and we were just pretty much holding onto each other and just trying to collect ourselves because at that time we were just trying to wake up, trying to figure out what happened, and how it happened so quickly. and so we're just trying to get each other calm and try to get as much stuff as we could because we knew automatically it was going to be a survival test. >> morning comes, night falls,
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morning, night falls. this goes on for a week. there were teams out there looking for you. just this past friday the coast guard actually called off the search saying this is futile. out of nowhere then what happens? >> i don't know where -- a guy named eddie had -- was bringing a boat back. he was traveling i think it was from florida back to texas, and he was bringing his boat back to the house, and we were actually on the last oil rig that was there. i believe he told me it was 220 miles south, so we were an extra 120 miles south of where we should have been, and we kind of flagged him down. took us a while for us to catch his attention. >> i'm sure you couldn't believe your eyes. >> we were all crying, celebrating, and i mean if the tv was right there when he pulled up in front of us, it was just amazing how we just -- i
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mean, he had to actually let us stay on the boat because he was scared we were just hugging each other, just -- i mean, we have been through so much of an ordeal we were just celebrating before we even got on his boat. it was like we were on our own schedule even though they were ready to get off this boat. it was amazing. he's a real good guy and took care of us well, real well. >> it was not a mirage. it was a real guy. i'd be celebrating as well. the coast guard says the men weathered the ordeal pretty well all things considered. they all turned down medical attention once they were plucked to safety. glad they're fine. a very big win for some california kids. we'll tell you about what. made just for men, hings maybe this is one of the most important. introducing new centrum ultra men's. a complete multivitamin for men. it has antioxidants and vitamin d... to support your prostate and colon. new centrum ultra men's. the rest of the body
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